Big Green: Re: Septic system alternatives
Muscoe
muscoe at hotmail.com
Fri Mar 14 15:36:55 EDT 2008
Gary-
we were able to get a permit for the "marsh machine" at the Cusano
Environmental Education Ctr in Philly from DEP. This uses the Solar Aquatics
system (similar to a Living Machine) However, it is a recirculating system -
with treated water used to flush the toilets. We were not able to get a
permit to discharge the treated effluent. That was 7 years ago and the
building manager is trying again for this discharge permit (we installed the
valves and piping in hopes this would eventually be possible).
For a project in design in Maryland, we're using a system from Clivus
Multrum that includes composting toilet, liquid waste collection and gray
water treatment by a constructed wetlands. The officials down there are very
open to this approach.
Muscoe Martin
m2 Architecture
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> What about regulatory issues with constructed wetlands? I
> understand PA DEP is slow to approve anything other than a
> traditional septic system. Does anyone have experience with
> these in Pennsylvania?
>
> Thanks.
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> 1. Re: Septic system alternatives (Charles Brown)
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> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:52:57 -0400
> From: Charles Brown <charles at brownarchitecture.net>
> Subject: Re: Big Green: Septic system alternatives
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> We just compared a system similar to what Bill describes to a
> conventional
> septic system for a small group toilet in a park. It would
> have been a wash
> or even less given different soil conditions.
> Check out; http://waterrecycling.com/
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> CB
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> Charles Brown, AIA LEED AP
> Brown Architecture Inc.
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> From: Bill Reed <reed at integrativedesign.net>
> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:59:44 -0400
> To: Ralph Bicknese <rbicknese at hellmuth-bicknese.com>,
> 'Jennifer Hendricks'
> <jshendricks at napervilleparks.org>, <biggreen at lists.biggreen.org>
> Conversation: Big Green: Septic system alternatives
> Subject: Re: Big Green: Septic system alternatives
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> Ralph et al,
>
> We typically use constructed wetland systems. In more than a
> few cases they
> have been less costly to install than conventional septic systems.
> Particularly where soil strata and type require that leech
> field lines are
> installed more than six feet deep. The wetland Œwaste¹ water
> is at tertiary
> level and with additional filtration is at a potable level. Thus, we
> install the leech lines (dosing lines in the case of
> wetlands) at 10² below
> grade saving money. We also save having to reserve an extra
> leech field
> area because the dosing field has no suspended solids to clog
> it after years
> of use.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Bill
>
>
> Bill Reed, AIA, LEED
> Regenesis
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> From: Ralph Bicknese <rbicknese at hellmuth-bicknese.com>
> Organization: Hellmuth - Bicknese Architecture LLC
> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:30:14 -0500
> To: 'Jennifer Hendricks' <jshendricks at napervilleparks.org>,
> <biggreen at lists.biggreen.org>
> Subject: Big Green: Septic system alternatives
>
> Jennifer:
>
> I have no experience with the Dri-Let toilet system. However
> this does
> raise a related issue that we have been struggling with.
> What are green
> recommendations for replacing a conventional septic system?
>
> As much as I like them, a living machine is probably not an
> option in this
> case due mostly to cost. Residential septic systems are
> typically installed
> for $10-15k so costs would need to be relatively comparable.
> We have also
> heard of ³drip irrigation² systems but I have no experience with them.
>
> Cheers,
> Ralph Bicknese
>
>
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> From: biggreen-bounces at lists.biggreen.org
> [mailto:biggreen-bounces at lists.biggreen.org] On Behalf Of
> Jennifer Hendricks
> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 7:56 AM
> To: 'biggreen at lists.biggreen.org'
> Subject: Big Green: Dri-Let
>
> Does anyone have experience with the Dri-Let toilet systems? They're
> billing themselves as an environmentally friendly
> self-contained, compact,
> portable, electric powered toilet system that processes waste
> into a fine
> ash. I'd love to hear your reviews of the product, if any of
> you have used
> it. http://www.DriLet-America.com
>
> Jennifer Strauss Hendricks, RLA
> Project Manager, Naperville Park District
> 320 W. Jackson Ave, Naperville, IL 60540
> Phone: 630-848-3597, Fax: 630-848-5019
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