Big Green: Trane TRACE

Thu Mar 20 17:44:09 EDT 2008

The ASHRAE formula for Hvac load analysis, if you will, is published in 
the ASHRAE Fundamentals Handbook.  Hvac load programs are generally used 
if in accordance with ASHRAE a/c load calculation method.

"Ralph Bicknese" <rbicknese at hellmuth-bicknese.com> 
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03/20/2008 05:22 PM

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Subject
RE: Big Green: Trane TRACE

Craig:

I do not mean to be overly picky but I never suggested USGBC did analysis 
or
testing of energy simulation programs (and I would certainly not expect 
them
to).  I recall from shopping for a simulation program a few years ago 
there
is a standard, that USGBC expects be met, by reference through ASHRAE Std.
90.1. I am checking on what that standard is.

I did find in the LEED-S Reference Manual that Trane Trace 700 is
specifically listed as an acceptable simulation program as are some 
others.
There is no standard, that all energy simulation programs must meet,
referenced directly. Note, I have no particular interest in Trane Trace. 
We
use the IES suite of software which includes APACHE as the energy 
simulation
program.

Cheers,
Ralph Bicknese

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From: "Ralph Bicknese" <rbicknese at hellmuth-bicknese.com>
Subject: RE: Big Green: TRANE/TRACE Oversizing Equipment?
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Russ:

I'll have to give a short answer hear due to time constraints. I believe
Trane Tracer is an acceptable energy simulation program

I have checked with an outside energy modeler.  They are comfortable with
the results they get from Trane Tracer.

Secondly, they posed your question to Trane (without using your name).
Trane
defended their program as one would expect but I also have no reason to
doubt this.

Third, a LEED requirement for energy simulations is that ASHRAE 90.1-2004
Appendix G Performance Rating Method stipulates calculations be done 
"using
an approved simulation program". The approved programs have to undergo
fairly stringent analysis to fall within reasonable accuracy guidelines. 
As
long as Trane Tracer is an approved system (which I believe it is) then IF
the input is correct, then the results should be within accepted
tolerances.

But as has been said, "Garbage in, garbage out". The inverse is, as long 
as
the input is good, the results should be good. These programs are quite
complex and it is not uncommon for some big errors to be made on inputs 
and
for them to be difficult to find.

I understand that Trane offers free (included review) of the results to
those who have purchased the program. An extra set of eyes for review is a
good idea.

Cheers,
Ralph

Ralph Bicknese, AIA, LEED AP
hellmuth + bicknese architects
7211 manchester rd.
st. louis, mo 63143
t: 314.531.9901
f: 314.531.9902
c: 314.265.0517
www.rbicknese at hellmuth-bicknese.com
www.hellmuthbicknese.com

Ralph,

As far as I know, the USGBC has not done any kind of analysis on 
acceptable
energy modeling programs.  CEC does and some group has been determining
acceptable models for EPACT 05.  For more information, ARTI funded a study
comparing a variety of modeling programs.  It was published in 2002 and 
has
some very interesting info.  The link is
http://www.arti-21cr.org/research/completed/finalreports/30010.30020-final.p

df.

Craig Kneeland, LEED AP
Senior Project Manager
New York State Energy Research and Development Authority
17 Columbia Circle
Albany, NY 12203-6399
Phone 518-862-1090 x 3311
Fax: 518-862-1091
www.nyserda.org

Craig Kneeland is a member of the Green Guide for Health Care (GGHC)
Steering Committee. The GGHC is the first and only sustainable design,
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