Big Green: Does LEED-NCv3 (2009) counts Alt. daily cover toward recycling credit?

[Campas, Anna]

No, the cover is not intended for use on site -  alternative daily cover (ADC) is the beneficial use of recycled materials for use as a protective cover over a landfill.

 See:  
http://www.calrecycle.ca.gov/LEA/Advisories/48/ for an example of some materials used.

By the way, LEED does not recognize land clearing debris including rocks, according to its definition in the reference guide :  "Land clearing debris including soil, vegetation, rocks, etc are not to be included."
Anna P. Campas, AIA, P.E., LEED AP
 
Associate Building Structural Engineer
New York State Office of General Services
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Albany, New York 12242
 
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From: biggreen-bounces at lists.biggreen.org [mailto:biggreen-bounces at lists.biggreen.org] On Behalf Of Meg Needle
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:31 PM
To: dlombard at earthlink.net; Christopher Schaffner
Cc: biggreen at lists.biggreen.org; dpapke at arb.ca.gov
Subject: Re: Big Green: Does LEED-NCv3 (2009) counts Alt. daily cover toward recycling credit?

Sorry, I guess I didn't understand what daily cover was.  So the 'daily cover' is a use on site?  We have had success claiming use of rock and mulch harvested on site in place of concrete retaining walls and silt control materials in the recycled category.  We had to provide the cost of the specified concrete walls and silt fencing and then claimed the site harvested materials represented 100% recycled content using the value of the materials that were replaced.  In your case for instance, if the crushed brick will replace aggregate, it seems like you could claim the value of the aggregate as 100% post industrial recycled.  I don't know if this strategy will still fly with the current LEED version.  For instance, I have heard that simply 'loosing' mulch on site doesn't qualify for recycling credit; however, if the mulch actually replaces silt fence or other more conventional soil stabilization materials, it seems there's a pretty strong case to be made for claiming it as recycled as well as diverted from landfill.

I hope this is more helpful.  Good luck.

Meg

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From: dlombard at earthlink.net [mailto:dlombard at earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:33 PM
To: Meg Needle; Christopher Schaffner
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Subject: RE: Big Green: Does LEED-NCv3 (2009) counts Alt. daily cover toward recycling credit?

I'm NOT looking to send the crushed brick to the landfill, I need to know what LEED says so I can make my case against it.

-----Original Message-----
>From: Meg Needle <mneedle at lasarchitect.com>
>Sent: Jan 13, 2010 1:29 PM
>To: dlombard at earthlink.net, Christopher Schaffner 
><chris at greenengineer.com>
>Cc: biggreen at lists.biggreen.org, dpapke at arb.ca.gov
>Subject: RE: Big Green: Does LEED-NCv3 (2009) counts Alt. daily cover toward recycling credit?
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>Hello -
>
>If I'm following this thread correctly, the proposal is to have the crushed brick accepted toward the waste management credit; not the recycled content credit.  That said, we have had success in previous LEED versions with having concrete or rock diverted from landfill, instead being sent to an entity that crushes and grades aggregate for resale or used on site.  It seems like you could make a case for sending the brick to a third party to be crushed as aggregate.  If that third party, in turn, sold the crushed brick to the landfill as daily cover, that would be acceptable.  Alternately, if the landfill simply manages what they receive such that they meet whatever daily cover requirements they have by appropriately sequencing and categorizing materials rather than buying aggregate, I can see where your proposal doesn't really divert any material from land fill and thus wouldn't count toward the waste management credit.
>
>Hope that helps.
>
>Meg
>
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>HI
>
>Thank you Chris. It was my understanding that LEED was not going to allow this under LEEDv3. I wonder why this did not get changed. Anyone know?
>
>Thanks!
>Debra
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>>From: Christopher Schaffner <chris at greenengineer.com>
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>>I believe the answer is yes. As I understand they are looking at 
>>changing this in the next iteration of LEED (2012)
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>>> Does LEED-NCv3 (2009) counts crushing up brick from on-site and 
>>> hauling it to landfill for use as Alternative daily cover towards 
>>> LEED's recycling credit for project certification?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Debra Lombard
>>
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